does anyone else have trouble processing the logic behind the wts issue of universal sovreignty?
why empower satan to make claims and give him the time and circumstances to prove his claims?
why have a bet between 2 people decide the fate of the universe?
I have wondered about these issues too. Mostly about all of the human suffering over who should be in charge of the universe. Why do we have to suffer over something between those two. Plainly put, but it just doesn't make sense to me either and I think that is the main thing that gets in the way of me really feeling like I could ever have a close relationship with God. It's because he is VERY hard to figure out.
JR
on saturday i bought a book called ' the book your church dosen't want you to read'.. on page 217 i came across these words and i quote, one day while i was reading my bible,i made a startling discovery.
after reading 2 kings 19, i flipped a number of pages and read some more.
to my astonishment, i found myself reading the same words.
I'm ready for another one of those "books". Who is the author and when was it printed? (in case I need to order it)
JR
maybe i'm just lucky, but my new husband who has never even been to church treats me better than my first husband who was raised a jw.
my first husband was an alcoholic who had no respect for women.
i suffered with a lot of verbal and emotional abuse.if i wasn't in a romantic mood, then there was something wrong with me.
Rosegirl,
You are a woman that gets things done. I took care of business as well. Doesn't it blow your mind how many of us are happy after all the B.S. we were taught? He went to a memorial with me a couple of years ago (so I could show him off). We got stuck sitting on the front row. All these people I knew all my life walked up to shake his hand and didn't even give me a second look. He'll never go back and neither will I.
Jessica Rabbit
although cbs, dateline nbc etc have also correctly documented the child molestation situation involving the watchtower society (wts) over jehovah's witnesses (jws), this, which is also shocking, is to even better inform the general public including medical personnel, jws themselves and persons studying bible subjects with them.
your sharing copies of this will can help save many lives even as others have already told us.
christmas: the wts teaches that christ was likely born about october 2, so why ignore that this means that he must have been conceived 9 months before, meaning in late december.
No, that would require ACTUAL studying. She is one of those people who have no complaints for being in the org. all her life. It's just comfortable and why doubt the Society? She just goes along with whatever they say.
JR
although cbs, dateline nbc etc have also correctly documented the child molestation situation involving the watchtower society (wts) over jehovah's witnesses (jws), this, which is also shocking, is to even better inform the general public including medical personnel, jws themselves and persons studying bible subjects with them.
your sharing copies of this will can help save many lives even as others have already told us.
christmas: the wts teaches that christ was likely born about october 2, so why ignore that this means that he must have been conceived 9 months before, meaning in late december.
RE:
CROSS: Human remains and inscriptions show archaeologists the stauros was a cross not stake, Dr F Zugibe's research shows suffocation would be in minutes if on a stake but in hours if on outstretched cross per Luke 23:44 and Matthew 27:45-6. Leaders call a cross is a repugnant murder weapon but Paul said boast in the stauros as a symbol of resurrection over death. Read Galatians 6:14, 1Corinthians 1:17-18.
I showed this proof to my JW mother. Would you believe she said that Jehovah could've made Jesus live several hours anyway, because he had the power to do whatever needed to be done?!? She still insisted it was a stake.
i am new to the board and have read countless gripes and pokes at "the organization" but i fail to find one interesting question.. in preface... i was disfellowshiped myself over 5 years ago.
in that time, i had done much searching, visited many churches and faithes.. going to some for as short as one session and some as long as 6 - 8 months.
after i felt my search was in vein i stopped attempting to go to these shurches all together.. i never forgot how to pray through.
Yes. I have learned that when I went straight to the BIBLE without any other literature, I finally saw the message. There is a God. There is an evil spirit named Satan who is the best liar in the universe, and just like he convinced Eve to eat the forbidden fruit, he has convinced many people that there is a TRUE religion. He even convinces them of the benefits they will reap if they join it and never screw up. I have learned that I received a chance of eternal life just for being in existence. It is already bought and paid for. All I am required to do is have love for my fellowman and the one who saved my worthless little butt. THAT'S IT!
Jessica Rabbit
friends: .
it's an absolutely flawless day here in the pacific northwest.
not a cloud in the sky, light breeze, afternoon highs to reach 80 f. we take our share of deserved jabs about our bad weather, but when it's good here, it's very, very good.
The thought of 3 long days at the Astrodome, not to mention the hour walk to and from the car is something I do not miss. Just to have to sit there and hear about people twice my age who have pioneered for 30 years and those CORNBALL DRAMAS. I have the most hilarious picture that a friend of mine took one year of me, my husband and daughter. ALL THREE OF US ARE SOUND ASLEEP IN OUR SEATS!!!! Now that would be a neat cover picture for the Watchtower.
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don't be too surprised if soon when you read a latest wt or go to their meetings that all you hear is some of the standard evangelical xtian stuff like grace, faith, kindness, mercy etc and no (and i mean no) endtimes crap, organsation or fds anymore.. btw this prediction is not in the name of god.
ak
What?
Go on, you have aroused my curiosity. Continue please.
JR
well, this isn't quite a delurk, since i've made several posts already.
but i figured it was worth introducing myself anyway.. i'm 21 years old, and was raised a dub.
had very loyal and active dub parents... there was just no question growing up that i was going to pioneer, reach out for privileges, etc.
Welcome Euphemism!!!!
Thanks so much for sharing this with us. I hope you will be a regular part of our forum. You described a lot of the same things I felt after reading Crisis of Concience.
Again, WELCOME ((((((BIG HUG)))))))
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after the bizarre letter i posted on pornea here is another piece of the wt mind control, information service for circuit overseers.
Bradley,
I'm sorry about the way I worded that. They had just as much control over my life as I would like to recall. I am glad you got to have "the real thing". I have a very open mind when it comes to sexual desires. I don't want to get detailed here but I think if you were to examine every sin listed in the bible, having sexual relations with someone you really care about is something I have never been able to view as a "sin". It is a normal human function. Sex is the real reason I got married at 17. My daughter will not ever get trapped like that because I have allowed her to experience this type of thing (responsibly) and now she can look past "the honeymoon" mentality.
JR
